Ngumoha was arguably our best player in pre-season, he too was a team-mate of Jota but being so young probably didn’t have the same kind of relationship with him and is just excited to be playing football.
I understand Slot wanting to be patient with him but maybe taking some of the senior players out of the limelight for a while and giving Nyoni and Ngumoha some chances is a way to inject some personality and effervescence into the side.
Ekitike has to be starting games also. He enjoys the game and the crowd enjoy him. Give Isak some games for the U21’s. Trying to get him fit in a struggling PL side is killing him. Stick him in the 21’s for a few weeks and then bring him back in for the FA Cup 3rd round.
Also more Chiesa, whose natural enthusiasm can get others going.
It’s all hard work for all of them and we need as much happiness on the pitch as possible.
I definitely agree on Ekitike, he's our best no.9 atm. And I'd have no difficulty in bringing Isak on around 60 minutes and letting/telling him to get stuck in.
And giving Nyoni and Rio starts can't result in anything worse than whats happening atm but it might wake up a few who aren't pulling their weight.
I thought Salah had a great first half but he's off to the Nations Cup in a month and we have nobody to play there. Not even an inadequate replacement, nobody! It's a poor sign of the squad building that we have nobody for that spot. Hopefully Frimpong can step up if he can stay free of injury
I get that they're feeling the loss of Jota and missing his personality around the team. I get that and I sympathise with that, anyone who's lost someone close to them knows that feeling.
But at what point do we expect them to channel that into something positive and productive rather than forlorn and negative?
And, even to myself, that sounds a bit harsh but I think it needs to be asked?
Always support the players! They can have bad days, we all do, but the least we expect is fight, desire, giving as much as you can. That just seems a bit lacking atm
I don’t recall Liverpool being so open when going a goal down last season. They were patient. It seems less controlled this season. Or at least it does from memory. It’s like they want to score as soon as possible.
Etitike is fitter and perhaps more in synch with the other Liverpool players. Would starting him and then getting Isak on later on help? Isak doesn’t look fit.
It was also a lucky goal by Haaland. I could probably play up front against Liverpool and score with some stupid deflection after the ball had hit ne in the face
It’s not like teams have found a way, a chink in our armour, we are conceding random goals. Usually low xg ones and the first opportunity. Whilst we are struggling to turn xg into goals. Unlucky at one end, unlucky at the other.
I started going back to Sunday mass after the Palace game as in my mind it should help us…might give it a miss tomorrow as it’s not helping..at all hahaha
Yeah that’s reasonable but it also feels rushed. I have no stats or numbers to back it up. It just looks that way or I am remembering it that way. I look back at the Palace game and the ones after…now it feels like a mix of rush and lack of confidence
The low block wins again. Most of the match Forest had 6 if not 7 across the back - and they all worked really hard and kept Liverpool out.
Time to change tactics on the low block. It’s boring football but has to be done. Cut out most of our high line and play deeper ourselves. Open up the field so opponents back line moves slightly forward. Even a few meters would make a difference.
Hard to know were to start, total lack of confidence from the top down, no leaders on the pitch and Madley lived up to his shocking reputation, you can shove your Saturday 3 pm kick offs ….another wasted Saturday 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Singing and clapping on 20 isn't helping as is his shirt number vacated seat in the dressing room. Its all on top. That dread of the 20th minute and constant thought thereafter. Yes sing his song in defiance if we lose and in Victory when we win after 90 plus minutes. Make it a fight song a Diogo doesn't lose anthem. I know the Kop this feeds us we never shy a fight.
There's so much going wrong atm, it's hard to know where to start but two things stand out to me.
Konate is so so out of sorts right now, I can't fathom how he's starting. Is Gomez gone so poor that he can't even get in ahead of Konate now? I realise Leoni is out for the season but is our intransigence about only signing Guehi and nobody else costing us now?
And that hole right in the middle of our defence, what's Slot and the gang doing to rectify this? He rightly received loads of praise for his tactical acumen last year but, likewise, we should also question the disappearance of that acumen this year.
I'm just incredibly frustrated right now, there's definitely some bad luck involved but at what point do we start taking things into our own hands and making the good luck for ourselves?
How do you lift players who are still grieving when football may not feel important?
I don't know the answer and I'm not even sure it matters for now.
I personally feel youth is the way to go now.
Ngumoha was arguably our best player in pre-season, he too was a team-mate of Jota but being so young probably didn’t have the same kind of relationship with him and is just excited to be playing football.
I understand Slot wanting to be patient with him but maybe taking some of the senior players out of the limelight for a while and giving Nyoni and Ngumoha some chances is a way to inject some personality and effervescence into the side.
Ekitike has to be starting games also. He enjoys the game and the crowd enjoy him. Give Isak some games for the U21’s. Trying to get him fit in a struggling PL side is killing him. Stick him in the 21’s for a few weeks and then bring him back in for the FA Cup 3rd round.
Also more Chiesa, whose natural enthusiasm can get others going.
It’s all hard work for all of them and we need as much happiness on the pitch as possible.
I definitely agree on Ekitike, he's our best no.9 atm. And I'd have no difficulty in bringing Isak on around 60 minutes and letting/telling him to get stuck in.
And giving Nyoni and Rio starts can't result in anything worse than whats happening atm but it might wake up a few who aren't pulling their weight.
I thought Salah had a great first half but he's off to the Nations Cup in a month and we have nobody to play there. Not even an inadequate replacement, nobody! It's a poor sign of the squad building that we have nobody for that spot. Hopefully Frimpong can step up if he can stay free of injury
It's a valid question, i think.
I get that they're feeling the loss of Jota and missing his personality around the team. I get that and I sympathise with that, anyone who's lost someone close to them knows that feeling.
But at what point do we expect them to channel that into something positive and productive rather than forlorn and negative?
And, even to myself, that sounds a bit harsh but I think it needs to be asked?
We're in uncharted territory with so many factors conspiring against the team.
In my opinion we show them love and support, I think that will help.
Always support the players! They can have bad days, we all do, but the least we expect is fight, desire, giving as much as you can. That just seems a bit lacking atm
I don’t recall Liverpool being so open when going a goal down last season. They were patient. It seems less controlled this season. Or at least it does from memory. It’s like they want to score as soon as possible.
Etitike is fitter and perhaps more in synch with the other Liverpool players. Would starting him and then getting Isak on later on help? Isak doesn’t look fit.
Re Ekitike/Isak - I think so, yeah. I guess playing Isak is the only way to get him fit but it isn’t helping the team.
The other thing is we've often gone behind to goals under controversial circumstances.
Eg against Utd or today's one. Even against City it was just after the relatively soft penalty.
Perhaps that does begin to erode morale too?
It was also a lucky goal by Haaland. I could probably play up front against Liverpool and score with some stupid deflection after the ball had hit ne in the face
Yeah. I was about to add that too.
It's just a streak of crazy bad-luck heaped on a team that's grieving but not allowed to grieve.
It’s not like teams have found a way, a chink in our armour, we are conceding random goals. Usually low xg ones and the first opportunity. Whilst we are struggling to turn xg into goals. Unlucky at one end, unlucky at the other.
The City game really crystallised that.
2 big chances to 1 in our favour.
Non-pen Xg v similar, despite not factoring VVDs goal.
Sometimes I wish I followed professional tiddlywinks.
I started going back to Sunday mass after the Palace game as in my mind it should help us…might give it a miss tomorrow as it’s not helping..at all hahaha
I think that's a fair point re being open, but we've had lots of changes, especially right and left back so it will have an impact.
Szob playing RB may then have a knock on affect to midfield.
Last year's squad was more settled so hard to make direct comparisons.
Yeah that’s reasonable but it also feels rushed. I have no stats or numbers to back it up. It just looks that way or I am remembering it that way. I look back at the Palace game and the ones after…now it feels like a mix of rush and lack of confidence
And when do get a goal back, it gets wrongly disallowed....
Yeah, that’s doesn’t help at all.
The low block wins again. Most of the match Forest had 6 if not 7 across the back - and they all worked really hard and kept Liverpool out.
Time to change tactics on the low block. It’s boring football but has to be done. Cut out most of our high line and play deeper ourselves. Open up the field so opponents back line moves slightly forward. Even a few meters would make a difference.
Hard to know were to start, total lack of confidence from the top down, no leaders on the pitch and Madley lived up to his shocking reputation, you can shove your Saturday 3 pm kick offs ….another wasted Saturday 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Singing and clapping on 20 isn't helping as is his shirt number vacated seat in the dressing room. Its all on top. That dread of the 20th minute and constant thought thereafter. Yes sing his song in defiance if we lose and in Victory when we win after 90 plus minutes. Make it a fight song a Diogo doesn't lose anthem. I know the Kop this feeds us we never shy a fight.
There's so much going wrong atm, it's hard to know where to start but two things stand out to me.
Konate is so so out of sorts right now, I can't fathom how he's starting. Is Gomez gone so poor that he can't even get in ahead of Konate now? I realise Leoni is out for the season but is our intransigence about only signing Guehi and nobody else costing us now?
And that hole right in the middle of our defence, what's Slot and the gang doing to rectify this? He rightly received loads of praise for his tactical acumen last year but, likewise, we should also question the disappearance of that acumen this year.
I'm just incredibly frustrated right now, there's definitely some bad luck involved but at what point do we start taking things into our own hands and making the good luck for ourselves?